How Portugal's tech scene exploded from zero after the 2009 crisis

Talking of this with the privilege of having seen it go from almost zero to to what it is today, it it it it's it's astounding, the progress that we've made in starting with Portugal in particular, which, of course, we're we're closer to. We've gone through, you know, the huge hype cycle that, you know, all of a sudden we've always had good engineering and good science, but there was no entrepreneurial spirits until all of a sudden in 02/2009, the jobs for life that people were used to were just not there anymore.