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One way to offset the cancellations is if existing customers bring in new customers. This is absolutely something that happens in consumer, but it's also an answer to cancellations that grow exponentially - because existing customers bringing in new customers also scales.

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“One that we didn't talk about, is one way to offset the cancellations is is existing customers grow.”

You're just saying, I don't have this lever to pull. And then I would say, okay, well then you need different levers. One that we didn't talk about, is one way to offset the cancellations is is existing customers grow. But another way is if existing customers bring in new customers. So they didn't grow, but they brought their friend. Now this is absolutely something that happens in consumer, but it's also an answer to this thing where cancellations grow exponentially. Because existing customers bring in new does triple if you have more existing customers.

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Offers a specific solution to the exponential churn problem with clear logic. The insight that referrals scale with customer base provides an actionable counter to the leaky bucket dynamic discussed earlier.

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One way to offset the cancellations is if existing customers bring in new customers. This is absolutely something that happens in consumer, but it's also an answer to cancellations that grow exponentially - because existing customers bringing in new customers also scales.

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Cancellations in absolute terms, like the number of customers who leave, will triple because you have 5% cancellation and triple it. So still 5% of a tripled number is triple. Cancellations automatically grow as you grow even if you're doing everything right, but marketing doesn't.

Cancellations always overtake marketing. The metaphor here is a leaky bucket where you're adding water to keep up with the leak. Except the leaks automatically increase. There's this maximum size you could ever be - it's when churn equals growth.

Anything above 3% per month cancellation is terrible. And people are like, 'oh no, it's okay. Five is fine. Seven, six.' There's a different metric I like to use because cancellations grow faster than marketing.

Who does not want to change some copy on their website and double their growth and triple their price? When you say 'is pricing correct,' it's not what is the number - it's is the market we are going after correct?

Only when you generate more value for the customer, you can then decide how to split that with the customer in terms of things like price. How do we create more value for the customer and then split that with them?

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