absolutely, there is a distinction, and and they were and we're asking companies a bit too much right now.

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absolutely, there is a distinction, and and they were and we're asking companies a bit too much right now. And so we we suggest in the books we're pulling back from that a bit. Right? I mean, again, this is back to the sort of middle of the road idea of, like, look. Let's we we can expect companies to operate on a set of principles and values, and those values should include stakeholders that are not just shareholders. And most importantly, should include a long term orientation. Right? I mean, the really long term shareholders benefit when companies operate in these ways, but shouldn't necessarily be CEO, you know, going on the political shows talking about every single,

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