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He fired all his customers. Then built a $1B startup in 2 years. | Jay Madheswaran, Co-Founder of Eve

The PMF ShowFeb 9, 202652 min

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Jay Madheswaran shares how he made the bold decision to fire all customers of his $3M ARR AI startup to pivot into legal AI for plaintiff attorneys. Eve achieved unicorn status in under two years by focusing on 'demo shock' and dramatically increasing ACV from $6k to $60k in an antiquated industry.

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The fake AI wave of 2018 vs the real AI revolution today

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back then in 2018. It's it's crazy to think about it. Back then, AI does not mean what it used to mean today. That's right. But weirdly, a lot of the same type of issues where every company was saying they were an AI company. It was almost like the false start, like the first wave of AI, pre gen AI, was like the false start of AI where you talked about the things you wanted to do and most people couldn't actually do those things, and then all of a sudden now you can.

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“That's that's always an option for people in the future if they want to find product where it could fit, put in the hands of people and then take it away and see who complains the most.”

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From $1M ARR in quarter one to 800% growth in a year

Jay Madheswaran breaks down Eve's explosive early growth trajectory, revealing how they hit $1M ARR in their first quarter and added another million every month after that. He shares the staggering 800% growth rate they achieved and discusses a unique product validation strategy of giving users access then taking it away to see who complains most.

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The fake AI wave of 2018 vs the real AI revolution today

Jay Madheswaran reflects on how 2018's AI hype was a "false start" where companies claimed AI capabilities they couldn't deliver. He contrasts this with today's generative AI era, where the promises that seemed impossible just a few years ago have suddenly become achievable realities.

3:13 - 3:3522s
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From $6K to $60K ACV: The 10x revenue transformation strategy

Jay Madheswaran explains how Eve needed to dramatically increase their Average Contract Value from $6K to $60K to improve sales productivity and enable continued hiring. He discusses the strategic changes required across qualification and product to achieve this 10x ACV growth.

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Consequences

When we dug into it, it actually seemed like the amount of value AI was going to have for us at the time wasn't going to be that large. We're talking maybe 10% improvements overall for big law. And there's kind of this tension between not replacing billable hours.

Counterintuitive insight about AI limitations in legal with specific quantification (10% improvement). The billable hours tension reveals a fundamental business model conflict that's highly relatable.

28:55 - 29:1420s

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Law firms are bottlenecked by attorney capacity, not case volume

Jay explains how law firms' growth is constrained by how many cases attorneys can handle simultaneously, not their ability to generate leads. The real bottleneck is labor - attorneys getting stuck on manual tasks that prevent them from moving cases forward efficiently.

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