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...AI market in China is cooking. Yeah. The way I would, you know, position this is in the same week, we have Grok dropping stuff. I think ChatGPT dropped some image stuff that's going viral today. They baked in, basically, like a DALL E type image gene
it wins it by over 10%. I think it had a 15% error rate or something in the next. Like, all the best previous ones have been, like, 25 something percent. Yes. This is like someone breaking the four minute mile. Actually, in some ways, it's more impre
...I say kind of similar to how ChatGPT kicked off a movement in The US where everything had a chatbot. There's now tons of tech companies in China that are releasing very strong frontier open weight models to the point where I would say that DeepSeek i
...China's DeepSeek AI models. So let's lay it out. Nathan, can you describe what DeepSeek v three and DeepSeek r one are, how they work, how they're trained. Let's, look at the big picture, and then we'll zoom in on the details. Yeah. So DeepSeq v thre
selfishly, I'll promote a bunch of, like, Western companies. So both in The US and Europe have these, like, fully open models. So I work at Allen Institute for AI. We've been building Omo, which releases data and code and all of this. And now we have
So I ran the numbers last night, that two week training run that of six days on two GTX five eighties. If you scale, it comes out to just under five minutes Wow. On a single g v 200. Justin is making a really good point. The twenty twelve AlexNet pap
this notion of general purpose computing for their architecture for a long time. In fact, they even thought about should we relaunch our GPUs as GP GPUs, general purpose graphics processing units? And, of course, they decided not to do that, but just
I'm like, Oh, neural nets. I like neural nets. Like I remembered back to my 1990 thesis. I'm like, Oh, that sounds interesting. We should train really, really big neural nets. So that was the Which you say that, and I think it's a very interesting fi
And some of DeepSeek's earlier papers, they talk about their training data being distilled for math. I haven't I shouldn't use this word yet, but taken from Common Crawl. And that's a public access that anyone listening to this could go download data
There was a great paper in the New York Times you can go find on how the Google data centers were taking, you know, thousands and thousands of CPUs to run certain deep learning algorithms. And there was just a belief that, like, no way anybody but Go
label these images. Yeah. And if I'm remembering from our episode, basically, what happened is the AlexNet team did way better than anybody else had ever done. The complete step changed better. I think the error rate went from mislabeling images 25%
wish you were asked more in, in general? Like, you know, like you, you have such a broad scope, we've covered the hardware, we've covered the, the models research. Yeah. I mean, I think, one thing that's kind of interesting is, you know, I, I did a u
writes this seminal blog post called the unreasonable effectiveness of neural networks. And, David, I don't think we're gonna go into it on this episode, but note that recurrent neural networks are a little bit of a different thing than convolutional
...across China in the wake of DeepSeek and also a a a deluge of releases Yes. From leading Chinese companies in the tech space. I had been keeping tabs on this but I hadn't actually quite noticed how many big things had dropped. So just to give people
So coming out of the success of Franz Ox's work on Google Translate and the improvements that happened there. In, like, the late two thousands ish, 2007? Yeah. Mid to late two thousands. They keep iterating on Translate. And then once Geoff Hinton co
but 2012 was the moment that many people think was the beginning of the deep learning or birth of modern AI because a group of Toronto researchers led by professor Jeff Hinton participated in ImageNet Challenge used the ImageNet Big Data and two GPUs
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