...founder. And so if both are doing right, and it never happens, but if they're doing right, a founder as an operator, as a governance person might look at the job that they're doing and be like, I suck as CEO. Really, we should hire somebody who is mo

...founders can get emotional when a an investor says, no. Give me that, you know, give me that equity back. Yeah. But but really zooming out, their ask is a completely reasonable one. The question then becomes, what is the best way to assuage their fea