...founders when you met them the early days of the traits they had that really got you convinced to go on a journey with them? No. I found that there is no factory of founders, and they are coming in so many different shapes. I will say maybe one thing

...and it's a founder issue or it's attraction issue that it just doesn't happen, like, where is the index to allow that conviction to happen? Yeah. So I would say nobody here make a can make an investment decision by himself still to that date. Now it'