...products was like buying air conditioning and toilets. You know, it just wasn't important to the organisation. It was just stuff you had to buy to run the place. Whereas now the CISO is often the most scrutinised person in the company. And companies

...security products we sold. So it's gone from being security relatively simple to being almost overwhelmingly complex. I think the cost of cyber breaches was 6,000,000,000,000 in the last year or this year. Huge, huge numbers. The damage done. The sec