everything was about avoiding a breach, stopping it happening. Now there's a minimise the damage, anticipate it, accept it. Most organisations, I don't think, are trying to entirely prevent a a breach. They're not entirely trying to prevent a breach.

And they really made my my daughter understand that the consequence of cyber security is not just loss of money or personal identifiable information. It's the cybercrime in the floor that is fueling political blackmail and funding guns and drugs and