...stages of startup growth. Because I think can you define stage by anything from seed series a, series b to revenue point or whatever it is? But when you're talking about building teams and almost any organization, Headcount is just such a fundamental

see our founders not hiring at the VP and C suite levels too soon. We think it's not necessary at the stage of, at a small team. But I'd love to understand how you'd have helped the index portfolio in navigating that that question. Obviously, there's